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> Should music be blamed for the way people act?
Atomik
post Jul 6 2008, 01:02 AM
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In these post-Imus days its been a lot of heat coming mainly at hip hop artists on what is ok and what isnt okay to say. Honestly i think that people have enough common sense to know right from wrong and parents should be more involved on what their kids should be listening to and how it influence them


so what do u guys think?
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post Jul 6 2008, 02:23 AM
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Yes. Music should be blamed for the way people act. All entertainment should. Nobody has the ability to act on their own. Everyone mimics what they see/hear in their entertainment. This is why everyone who plays video games become violent murderers. Everyone who listens to rap/hip hop joins gangs. I'm sure some law guy or scientist said that and they're always right.


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post Jul 6 2008, 04:26 PM
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QUOTE(Atomik @ Jul 6 2008, 02:02 AM) *
In these post-Imus days its been a lot of heat coming mainly at hip hop artists on what is ok and what isnt okay to say. Honestly i think that people have enough common sense to know right from wrong and parents should be more involved on what their kids should be listening to and how it influence them


so what do u guys think?


You can't defend anything in their lyrics. Nothing in them need to be said to begin with. However, there is that thing called "Freedom of Speech," and "Freedom of the Press." Neither of these, however, cover what are called "obscenities." If rap music can be deemed a "social worthless utterance," then it's not protected.

Yes, rap music is a major influence, but the bigger problem is the parents not being an overpowering influence that negates anything that the rappers say. Screwed up kids are the fault of bad parents. In a culture that promotes sexual promiscuity, we end up with un-wanting, un-deserving parents, and they don't take proper care of their children.

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Yes. Music should be blamed for the way people act. All entertainment should. Nobody has the ability to act on their own. Everyone mimics what they see/hear in their entertainment. This is why everyone who plays video games become violent murderers. Everyone who listens to rap/hip hop joins gangs. I'm sure some law guy or scientist said that and they're always right.


I would like to make a note to how ignorant you are. It is downright stupid to think that everyone who plays videogames is going to be a violent killer. Every day billions of people play videogames. How many people are killed? Not even a fifth of that. Every day millions of people listen to rap. However, they don't all join gangs. Generally, the want to join a gang, or the prior acquisition into such a group, would come despite the music. For example, my father likes rap. However, he does not curse, he does not party, he does not join gangs.


Rap has gotten a bad rap, but, in the end, it's up to personal responsibility to make sure you're above it all.


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post Jul 6 2008, 05:45 PM
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QUOTE(Death Dark @ Jul 6 2008, 05:26 PM) *
You can't defend anything in their lyrics. Nothing in them need to be said to begin with. However, there is that thing called "Freedom of Speech," and "Freedom of the Press." Neither of these, however, cover what are called "obscenities." If rap music can be deemed a "social worthless utterance," then it's not protected.

Yes, rap music is a major influence, but the bigger problem is the parents not being an overpowering influence that negates anything that the rappers say. Screwed up kids are the fault of bad parents. In a culture that promotes sexual promiscuity, we end up with un-wanting, un-deserving parents, and they don't take proper care of their children.
I would like to make a note to how ignorant you are. It is downright stupid to think that everyone who plays videogames is going to be a violent killer. Every day billions of people play videogames. How many people are killed? Not even a fifth of that. Every day millions of people listen to rap. However, they don't all join gangs. Generally, the want to join a gang, or the prior acquisition into such a group, would come despite the music. For example, my father likes rap. However, he does not curse, he does not party, he does not join gangs.
Rap has gotten a bad rap, but, in the end, it's up to personal responsibility to make sure you're above it all.


I wasn't being serious. I don't really think like that. I frequently play video games myself. In fact, I was just playing Final Fantasy Tactics less than five minutes before posting this. I agree with what you said about screwed up kids being the fault of bad parents. I think there are a lot of people who think the way my first post was written. That's the only reason I can think of for why they'd blame video games and music. Either that or they hate a lot of kids and want to make them angry.


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post Jul 6 2008, 06:46 PM
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If I had my way I'd just ban all video/music shows like MTV. tongue.gif

They are just filled with dropkicks that would otherwise be working at Walmart, sending messages of, as Death Dark mentioned, sexual promiscuity and other stupid behavior, and giving people ideas of unreal / dumb / bad things.

Soon as I start watching shows like that I begin to feel dumber - I'm not joking. smile.gif


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post Jul 6 2008, 07:35 PM
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Haha Panda. smile.gif I blame violent kids on lack of parental supervision and involvement, not whether they listened to Black Sabbath or Bach.
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post Jul 6 2008, 09:43 PM
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QUOTE(taytersalad @ Jul 6 2008, 08:35 PM) *
Haha Panda. smile.gif I blame violent kids on lack of parental supervision and involvement, not whether they listened to Black Sabbath or Bach.


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post Jul 9 2008, 02:31 PM
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The problem is that we here in America suffer from severe retardation. I don't quite know what causes it, but for some reason, people here don't seem capable of acting on their own free will. Everyone does what someone else says, everyone needs some kind of guide. Most people, whether or not they can afford it, buy the top brand name of a certain product, no matter if it's a shirt, some food item, or even toilet cleaner, they're just that stupid and that easily convinced of things. Now let's take this weak mind and mix it with big money industries of today such as the Music and Movie industries. What do you get? Sex, drug abuse, heavy drinking, guns, violence, and in many cases, foul language. And that's just the hero. In a society full of people barely able to pick out clothes they like vs clothes society likes, how does this affect them? The good guy is the one that has a nice car, four women on both shoulders, and an AK-47 on his back. And he gets praised left and right by everyone because hey, let's overlook all of his bad qualities and go for the fact that he's good looking, has a sweet ride, and just saved our lives from something.

If this isn't bad enough, let's let the same thing slip into a song. The human mind tends to like a catchy rhythm. Even if you don't like rap, take the words out and listen to the beat, you'll end up liking what you hear. Take this one, whoever sang the song, make him a millionaire, completely talentless and dumb as a rock, what do you get? Kids doing bad in school. What does learning make? Who needs this. I can go sing a song about the other night when I got high and make millions, drive a hummer and have a gold plated toilet, never need to know history or math or science or anything.

So let's look at what we have so far:

A society, brainwashed by the popular media into believing that the most unsavory of things are socially acceptable. A majority of our children see no gain in learning, and place their future goals in the hopes of being a hip-hop star, professional athlete, or actor, all of which they see as heroes. No longer are heroes people who actually matter, people who can affect our way of life and make it better, our heroes are people who would be better off dead. Some call this lack of morals, I call it general stupidity. The lack of care on one person's part directly affects another, and another, and so on.


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post Jul 15 2008, 10:32 AM
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Music can't be accused, society is responsible for it. not those poor artists.
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post Jul 15 2008, 12:43 PM
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Music can't be accused, society is responsible for it. not those poor artists.


Poor? These guys who are raking in millions a year are poor? Man, I must be behind the times.


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post Jul 17 2008, 03:35 PM
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QUOTE(Forte @ Jul 9 2008, 03:31 PM) *
The problem is that we here in America suffer from severe retardation. I don't quite know what causes it, but for some reason, people here don't seem capable of acting on their own free will. Everyone does what someone else says, everyone needs some kind of guide. Most people, whether or not they can afford it, buy the top brand name of a certain product, no matter if it's a shirt, some food item, or even toilet cleaner, they're just that stupid and that easily convinced of things. Now let's take this weak mind and mix it with big money industries of today such as the Music and Movie industries. What do you get? Sex, drug abuse, heavy drinking, guns, violence, and in many cases, foul language. And that's just the hero. In a society full of people barely able to pick out clothes they like vs clothes society likes, how does this affect them? The good guy is the one that has a nice car, four women on both shoulders, and an AK-47 on his back. And he gets praised left and right by everyone because hey, let's overlook all of his bad qualities and go for the fact that he's good looking, has a sweet ride, and just saved our lives from something.

If this isn't bad enough, let's let the same thing slip into a song. The human mind tends to like a catchy rhythm. Even if you don't like rap, take the words out and listen to the beat, you'll end up liking what you hear. Take this one, whoever sang the song, make him a millionaire, completely talentless and dumb as a rock, what do you get? Kids doing bad in school. What does learning make? Who needs this. I can go sing a song about the other night when I got high and make millions, drive a hummer and have a gold plated toilet, never need to know history or math or science or anything.

So let's look at what we have so far:

A society, brainwashed by the popular media into believing that the most unsavory of things are socially acceptable. A majority of our children see no gain in learning, and place their future goals in the hopes of being a hip-hop star, professional athlete, or actor, all of which they see as heroes. No longer are heroes people who actually matter, people who can affect our way of life and make it better, our heroes are people who would be better off dead. Some call this lack of morals, I call it general stupidity. The lack of care on one person's part directly affects another, and another, and so on.

I completely agree. People actually think destroying their bodies with drugs and getting STDs is fun and cool.
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post Jul 28 2008, 01:04 PM
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QUOTE(Forte @ Jul 9 2008, 03:31 PM) *
The problem is that we here in America suffer from severe retardation. I don't quite know what causes it, but for some reason, people here don't seem capable of acting on their own free will. Everyone does what someone else says, everyone needs some kind of guide. Most people, whether or not they can afford it, buy the top brand name of a certain product, no matter if it's a shirt, some food item, or even toilet cleaner, they're just that stupid and that easily convinced of things. Now let's take this weak mind and mix it with big money industries of today such as the Music and Movie industries. What do you get? Sex, drug abuse, heavy drinking, guns, violence, and in many cases, foul language. And that's just the hero. In a society full of people barely able to pick out clothes they like vs clothes society likes, how does this affect them? The good guy is the one that has a nice car, four women on both shoulders, and an AK-47 on his back. And he gets praised left and right by everyone because hey, let's overlook all of his bad qualities and go for the fact that he's good looking, has a sweet ride, and just saved our lives from something.

If this isn't bad enough, let's let the same thing slip into a song. The human mind tends to like a catchy rhythm. Even if you don't like rap, take the words out and listen to the beat, you'll end up liking what you hear. Take this one, whoever sang the song, make him a millionaire, completely talentless and dumb as a rock, what do you get? Kids doing bad in school. What does learning make? Who needs this. I can go sing a song about the other night when I got high and make millions, drive a hummer and have a gold plated toilet, never need to know history or math or science or anything.

So let's look at what we have so far:

A society, brainwashed by the popular media into believing that the most unsavory of things are socially acceptable. A majority of our children see no gain in learning, and place their future goals in the hopes of being a hip-hop star, professional athlete, or actor, all of which they see as heroes. No longer are heroes people who actually matter, people who can affect our way of life and make it better, our heroes are people who would be better off dead. Some call this lack of morals, I call it general stupidity. The lack of care on one person's part directly affects another, and another, and so on.


I agree with this as well but I seem to fall into that forsaken category. I do well in school and have absolutely no intention of dropping out or cutting class or not doing my work but I still dream of becoming a rock star tongue.gif


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post Jul 29 2008, 12:37 AM
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okay ... music cann not possibly be blamed for the way we act: for example, many parents make music with curse words responsible for their kids using them. well that is partially true because these people that use them in their songs put them out there into the world but its NOT correct to say that because these words came from sumwhere else. sum1 had to ..... well CREATE these words first, before any1 could actually use them in songs. so i do think that NOW music can strongly influence ppl in how they act, because music often makes bad things seem .. well .. not so bad. but these people got it from sum1 else, who then got it from sum one else again, and it goes on lyk that. back to who knows how far,
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